Where am I?

HOME
  • COMMENT BLOGS Comment Central

Comment Central - Times Online - WBLG

« One to listen to | All Posts | The American who could be President of Afghanistan »

June 18, 2008

It won't be Hillary: Obama's big clue

Solis_doyleSo Barack Obama is reaching out to the Clintonistas by appointing her former campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle to be one of his senior staffers. Right? Wrong.

The key lies in the announcement that Solis Doyle is to be chief of staff to the VP candidate whoever that might be.

Because what that means is that whoever that might be, it won't be Hillary.

As Sam Stein writes on the Huffington Post:

Solis Doyle was let go by Clinton because of what was widely regarded as poor campaign and financial management...There is a sense that bad blood lingers between the two.

Some officials in Clinton's orbit were disappointed, if not angered, by the fact that Solis Doyle had been in touch with the Obama campaign about possibly coming on board. Solis Doyle, meanwhile, is rumored to have felt particularly scapegoated by her firing.

Said one individual with knowledge of the Clinton campaign's political leanings: "It would be pretty awkward if Hillary Clinton were picked as vice president and Patti was there to be her chief of staff."

On the surface the move might seem like preparing for Hillary, in practice it is quite the opposite.

Posted by Daniel Finkelstein on June 18, 2008 at 11:14 AM in Barack Obama | Permalink Bookmark and Share

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d83451586c69e200e5537791b68834

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference It won't be Hillary: Obama's big clue:

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Keep in mind the possibility that McCain may not be the Republican candidate.

Posted by: Andrew Milner | 18 Jun 2008 12:47:42

It is amusing how people are lining up jobs for Hillary. One commentator discussed the possibility of her running for Governor of New York and then discounted it. Others have said that she would make a great Justice of the Supreme Court, to be nominated by Obama of course. Some have proposed that she concentrate on becoming a more consequential Senator, one of the truly historic ones.

Posted by: Candadai Tirumalai | 18 Jun 2008 13:54:26

Is it standard to a chief of staff imposed on the VP candidate?

Posted by: Alex R | 18 Jun 2008 14:00:53

Patty Solis-Doyle was sacked by Clinton and the two are said to no longer be on speaking terms.

A Clinton insider said at the weekend - make no mistake, we know what this means.

It's a tremendous slap in the face and a brilliant piece of strategy by Obama. My guess is they've already cut a deal for a Supreme Court nomination for her, as and when an opportunity arises.

Posted by: Andy C | 18 Jun 2008 14:15:09

"There is a sense that bad blood lingers between the two (...) Solis Doyle, meanwhile, is rumored to have felt particularly scapegoated by her firing." These are both rumours, not established facts. And wasn't SD fired on Mark Penn's orders, rather than Hillary's? If so, this hardly prevents the two of them from working together.

Posted by: Tariq | 18 Jun 2008 15:01:39

Hillary Clinton she is out of question, as a future US Vice President. B.Obama first priority now is to face up with McCain. His second priority will be, to give some time for the dust to settle down within the Democratic party. In my opinion he has time, on his side before he comes up with a final decision as to who is going to become his political right hand. Obama he is more than the eye can meet in the first place. After all he plays like a great master on the political chessboard. He remains cool and calculative throughout any political challenge. In my opinion Obama was born to become a first class politician. i see no obstacles, that could stop Obama to became the fist Black President in the history of the USA.

Posted by: DanielSalaman | 18 Jun 2008 17:35:15

You think Obama is thinking of himself or his country when he rejects Hilalry as VP?

Posted by: Haralambos Petrokolos | 18 Jun 2008 18:05:36

Obama would be far better off to name ANOTHER woman, not Clinton, to be VP. He will attract sexist females who are attracted to Hillary because of her biology, and at the same time he can avoid the Clinton baggage. Obama is probably wise enough to know that many people were not voting for him but against the Clintons. Obama is an attractive candidate, and one of his appealing attributes is that his last name isn't Clinton or Bush.

Posted by: David | 18 Jun 2008 18:59:00

"You think Obama is thinking of himself or his country when he rejects Hilalry as VP?"

Posted by: Haralambos Petrokolos | 18 Jun 2008 18:05:36

BOTH!...and thank God!

Posted by: GARTH STRONG | 18 Jun 2008 22:21:47

And here I thought that the VP picked his own staff.

Posted by: Richard | 19 Jun 2008 10:26:27

And here I thought that the VP picked his own staff.

Posted by: Richard | 19 Jun 2008 10:26:35

Hillary? OK.
Bill? KO!
Why? Because...

Posted by: San Ying | 19 Jun 2008 10:33:45

Obama would be far better off to name ANOTHER woman, not Clinton, to be VP. He will attract sexist females who are attracted to Hillary because of her biology, and at the same time he can avoid the Clinton baggage. Obama is probably wise enough to know that many people were not voting for him but against the Clintons. Obama is an attractive candidate, and one of his appealing attributes is that his last name isn't Clinton or Bush.

Posted by: David | 18 Jun 2008 18:59:00

This is a fantastic idea! There are more woman out there aside from HC. Why can't we hear from one of them?

America really needs to break out of the Clinton-Bush rut. It has a great opportunity to do that AND further racial and gender equality in this presidential race. Please, Obama, make that happen? America and the rest of the world will appreciate it.

Posted by: Dominique | 19 Jun 2008 11:00:49

Dont forget McCain may be a Muslim. He adopted a Muslim girl from Bangladesh.

Posted by: Ted Baines | 19 Jun 2008 11:48:52

If Billary is no longer happy with being a Senator,then she should be appointed by McCain/Obama as the U.S representative at the U.N.
Billary would be great at this.
Otherwise,Billary could always be U.S. Ambassador to Iran.

Posted by: C.Elder | 19 Jun 2008 11:51:07

I think appointing a woman as a VP would weaken his chances: a black President, with a female VP?! Are you kidding me? Too progressive for this largely conservative country.

Posted by: | 19 Jun 2008 19:35:28

1st of all, why are we still speaking about HILLARY? Negative thinking & dirt has a way of sticking to you. Her campaign said I am so negative, don't expect me to be someone you can trust. I have my own agenda. That was her message, very negative, showed no interest in the Democratic Party, & more interested in herself, so if HILLARY was more interested in her self, why would she be interested in the people of AMERICA. Bill never gave a hoots he was like a guy drunk on his own self interest.

Posted by: Daphne Kenward | 19 Jun 2008 23:44:47

It won't be Hillary? It won't be Obama either. Never underestimate the conservatism of the people of the US.

Posted by: JLT | 20 Jun 2008 02:05:05

CELDER You have a fantastic sense of humor you realy make me laugh this morning, its a good way to start my day. Only Obama knows what the future holds for Hillary. If Hillary plays her political cards right she might come back in future to the political arena, as a powerful challenge to Obama. According to (Billary) the game is not over yet.

Posted by: DanielSalaman | 20 Jun 2008 06:51:17

If I was Hillary Clinton I'd go to court and divorce myself from the US and retire to pastures new preferably far far way.
The disgusting way she was treated defies belief.
Democratic party sure shot itself in the foot when it decided to go with Obama. It is fast becoming a 'country of old men' and failed Presidential candidates.
No need to take my word for it, all you have to do is wait for the disaster that is yet to come, if and when the latest 'twinkling star' does really become 'The Man in the Moon'.

Posted by: prudence eely bond mcguire | 20 Jun 2008 11:11:33

I have long thought that Obama would or should pick another woman as VP, if only to regain the "angry feminist" vote that he needs to recapture to win. (Not that they would vote for McCain, but they might well decline to vote at all.)

I would have guessed Nancy Pelosi as his first choice; but she seems to have ruled that out, saying that as speaker of the house she has more power than a VP would. But I'm sure there is no shortage of female senators, governors and congresswomen to choose from.

As for worrying that a female VP would cost him the conservative vote, that seems absurd; anyone who is that conservative would not be likely to vote for him in any case. By picking a woman as his VP, he has much to gain in picking up more women's votes, and he doesn't really risk losing anyone who would be likely to vote for him anyway.

Posted by: Dee | 20 Jun 2008 13:52:16

Obama would be wise not to go with Hillary as vp because of the baggage she carries namely her husband - Im glad she didn't win the nomination -you are correct in assuming she has her own agenda-she doesn't care about the american people but her own career and the only reason women say they won't vote for obama is because they are sore losers. Just because they lost to a man- Many feminists are so blinded by the fact of their own self-importance as being 'women' that they can't see that THIS black man will be the shinging star that will serve our country best-it is time that we enter the future with fresh perspectives instead of the stale rhetoric that comes out of the mouths of people such as the Clintons who have lost touch with humanity as well as selling out their souls just for power-

Posted by: Janie | 20 Jun 2008 19:14:04

Clinton should just go back to being a carpetbagger senator from NY. She lost the democratic nomination because people disliked both her and Billy boy. Obama wouldn't pick her as VP in a NY second...

Posted by: Jamie | 20 Jun 2008 22:03:00

Now...what if McCain asked Hillary to run as his VP?

Posted by: dadpasadena | 20 Jun 2008 23:11:13

Obama is a blood relative of both Cheney and Bush. This is a subterfuge to extend the dynasty.

Check it out:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/16/AR2007101602362.html

Posted by: joek | 21 Jun 2008 00:31:14

It would be a mistake to have Clinton as a running mate firstly she would take the limelight away from obama if he were to become President and hillary wouldn't shy away from that. She wants to be the Boss not his lacky.

Posted by: Paul Martin Australia | 21 Jun 2008 00:38:28

Hardly matters what Hillary does or where she goes. Obama has to concentrate on his own singular opportunity. However, as pointed out earlier, he IS a black man in America...what chance does he REALLY have? Slim, I'm afraid. Especially against a stereotype old white paranoid (and unrepentant Vietnam-era killer) like McCain.

Posted by: seaweb | 21 Jun 2008 00:59:13

Hillary took the last month off to get her anti-Obama 527 groups up and running. No way will she help Barack get elected. Never give in; never give up.

Posted by: Ray Huffman | 21 Jun 2008 01:32:06

The idea that Conservatives have a problem with a black or woman on a Presidential ticket is absolutely absurd! We have a problem with PARTICULAR individuals from those two demographics being on a ticket...esp. Obama and Clinton. However, most of us would be delighted with a JC Watts or a Kay Bailey Hutchinson on our ticket. I would have loved to have seen Jean Kirkpatrick in the White House. I would even have considered trading Reagan for Thatcher had that been metaphysically possible!

Posted by: Ernest | 21 Jun 2008 02:25:19

I feel sorry for Hillary. She thinks she's very popular by getting 18 million votes. They were not for her, they were against him. Same thing will happen in November. McCain will get the most votes, again, not for him but against Obama.

Posted by: Weez | 21 Jun 2008 02:48:30

Well, Obama had his chance when Hillary offered him the Vice-Presidency. Now, after the long fight Hillary has emerged as the second most powerful U.S. Senator while Obama is still trying to figure out how to explain why he's losing.
Sorry, Barry. You didn't get the popular vote in the primaries and you won't get it in November either.

Posted by: Jenny J | 21 Jun 2008 03:07:50

There IS a congresswoman who voted against authorizing the war ... but she didn't go to Wellesley, and Obama wouldn't dare put her on the ticket.

Posted by: Bill | 21 Jun 2008 03:48:16

I've long thought that Obama planted trojan horses around the Hillary campaign, perhaps Solis was one and this is her reward. It is surprising that numerous folks after abandoning Hillary went right over to the Obama camp.

Posted by: Amery | 21 Jun 2008 03:48:51

Don't worry about who the VP will be. Everyone one needs to be very afraid when Obama brings up Reparations to pay off the 90%+ of Blacks who vote for him. No, he doesn't want a lobbyist block, but he will certainly take a racist block of voters.

Posted by: J | 21 Jun 2008 05:05:34

Vote for OBummer and let him make Hillary ambassador to Rwanda, her husband's legacy.

Posted by: Sloaneranger | 21 Jun 2008 05:39:22

millions of new voters coming in to support obama.... newsweek showing a 15 pt lead over mccain this week

the old math is just that - get ready for president BO baby

Posted by: the game is changing | 21 Jun 2008 06:00:00

Anyone BUT a clinkton.

Nominate EITHER one of those clinktons and you LOSE MY VOTE automatically -- shows utter STUPIDTY in jurdgement.

For the FIRST TIME EVER, I'm considering a dem vote, since I'm NOT enthralled w/ McCain, who is basically a dem anyway. So why would I be tied to a vote for McCain, when he differs LITTLE from dem positions on MANY items.

Nominate SOMEONE ELSE for Veep, and you may just get this Repub's vote.

Either way, we'd get a liberal.

-- Ron, La Mesa, CA

Posted by: Ron | 21 Jun 2008 08:01:52

If you absolutely have to pick a Clinton for the Vice-presidential slot, Bill would fit perfectly. He's got the "vice" part of the job covered. Obama-Clinton 08, The First AND Second Black President.

Posted by: Jigs | 21 Jun 2008 11:21:39

I hope Obama does not choose Hillary! If he does choose her or anyone who is more interested in getting ahead in politics instead of the welfare of the American people, I will vote for Ralph Nader . . . again!

Posted by: Raini Skai | 21 Jun 2008 17:46:31

I don't know, Hillary just seems like such a liar. She is just a scary woman.

Posted by: Bryan Abbott | 21 Jun 2008 19:03:52

All moot. Obama will not be elected.

Posted by: Jake | 21 Jun 2008 19:06:22

I feel that Obama won't be nominated! I have no idea of who they would get!!! i also said, more than 6 months ago, that Hillary won't be nominated! I was the only one to say that! A black person would stand zzero chance, the hidden backlash is incredible. Everyone says they love blacks, then get them in a dark voting booth to relay their true feelings. Ask ex LA mayor Bradley about it.

Posted by: Pete | 21 Jun 2008 19:42:56

it is not that SHE is a woman and that he is BLACK....it is their views.....there are other WOMEN and BLACK candidates that I would vote for...but NOT these two.....

Posted by: Delaine | 21 Jun 2008 20:27:15

Thank God it won't be Hillary. That would compromise everything he is about. He is integrity, he is honest. She is NOT! He will make a wonderful president without her.

Posted by: Carol Cook | 21 Jun 2008 23:00:44

Keep in mind the possibility that Obama may not be the Democrat candidate.

Posted by: schopenhauer | 22 Jun 2008 00:46:46

maybe the job is a reward for sabotaging hillarys campaign

Posted by: john j jinglehiemer | 22 Jun 2008 01:38:38

does conservative equate racist and sexist? IMHO no.

Does progressive equate racial and gender tolerance/equity. A flat not to this to, IMHO.

Racists are racists. Sexists are sexists and they abound everywhere.

And to those, what Obama or anyone does will not stop them from exercising their inalienable rights to choose McCain or whomever they want. But they should not be dignified by such lofty as CONSERVATIVES.

Conservatives are not racist, nor sexists. They are conservative.

And by the way if Conservatives in the US equal the Christian rights, why are the conservative in Russia communists and the conservatives in Iran Mullahs?

Posted by: Craig | 22 Jun 2008 04:07:05

Obama could nominate Nancy Pelosi as his Vice President. By the way, now that (Honorable) Senators no long resign their existing positions as elected representatives for their states to seek the Presidency, does the same hold for Vice Presidents?

Posted by: Wendy Tedder | 22 Jun 2008 05:42:13

When I read comments like Ted Baines', I realise where the US gets its bad name from. Wise up guys. This US president will affect the world and we Europeans do care...

Posted by: Jelli | 22 Jun 2008 08:20:25

Gee, Can't you all find anything better to write about other than Obama and Clinton. The world doesn't wrap around them guys.
If this is the best you have it SUCKS and it is boring!!!

Posted by: | 22 Jun 2008 11:44:17

Don’t underestimate the Clintons. They already know that most of Hillary’s supporters are for McCain. Thus, the Clintons believe that Obama is not electable this time, and Hillary can run almost unopposed in 2012.

Posted by: Dave | 22 Jun 2008 12:48:35

I voted in NH primary for McCain in 2000 trying to deny Bush the nomination. I voted for Obama in 2008, in part because he was not Billary. Only if primaries gave us the chance to vote for a 1st& 2nd choice, would we see what the real feelings of the voters towards the candidates are. I.E. lots of people don't like Bill (if Hillary had been a widow, she might have gotten more votes.)

Posted by: NH Voter | 22 Jun 2008 14:07:31

I am surprised as John Edwards has not been considered as a top pick by Obama's campaign. Why is that??

Posted by: aristillus | 22 Jun 2008 14:53:03

My opinion is that Obama will select Elloit Richardson as his VP, and McCain will selece either Mitt Romney (for youth) or Charlie Crist of Florida. He will need Florida to win.

Posted by: Diehl | 22 Jun 2008 15:32:23

So many apologists - so little time. I evaluated the two top Dem nominees and decided on Hillary Clinton as my choice - mostly because of Obama's own self admitted drug use ( which I interpreted to mean he had no problem comitting a felony when the times were tough and he needed an escape ) and bigotry ( where instead of embracing his unique perspective ... as he advertises now .. he despised his other half. And considered them his captors .. : ( ) Bigtory and unpunished felony crimes helped me see he is not the kind of person I would like to see representing me in that powerful seat. So now that Senator Clinton has stepped down from the race - I am being 'encouraged' to support the man for whom I have found such disgust. Aint gonna happen anytime soon - that I can guarantee. May not happen at all. Would I vote for him if he selected Senator Clinton as his VP AND she agreed to take the job. Yes - I would feel compelled to at this point. I hope he does not choose her. I want the privilege of voting against the type of man Obama grew up as. He is 'nice' now - but his life choices disqualify him from that honored position. IMO.

Posted by: Donny Cruce | 22 Jun 2008 16:15:03

too many prognsticators here ignoring the truth: obama will lose the elections without hillary clinton. period.

Posted by: mikel | 22 Jun 2008 17:32:16

Daphne Kenward - you're just full of it. The loathing you have for Mrs Clinton is far worse than anything she has done - get over it. If Mrs Clinton's supporters are to be placated then she needs to be given some important role to play - and in the possible event that Mr McCain wins, we shall know why - the wrong candidate was chosen.

Posted by: David Cunard (ex pat) | 22 Jun 2008 21:23:01

The faster we get rid of B. Hussein Obama the better. He did not win the popular vote, nor was Mrs. Clinton treated fairly during the democratic nomination.

Time to vote for McCain, I guess. Once he wins, we hopefully won't hear from B. Hussein Obama again.

Posted by: Dave | 22 Jun 2008 22:18:15

I like both of them, but we all know that two strong leaders sharing the same office can be divisive. Lastly, compared to the news of the effect speculators have on oil prices, the suppressed video of McCain saying he "didn’t love America until he missed her." OPEC nations statement that they did not raise the oil prices and that there is an over abundance of oil world wide, the rejection of the use of mega profits to reduce green house gases, and many other as-yet-unexposed issues of greater significance, I find this subject to be a trivial distraction from what could have been written here. It also compliments an obvious pattern of unbalanced, negative reporting directed at Obama's campaign, by popular commercial media.

Posted by: Steward Brogery Clinton | 22 Jun 2008 23:41:34


Dont forget McCain may be a Muslim. He adopted a Muslim girl from Bangladesh.

Posted by: Ted Baines | 19 Jun 2008 11:48:52


hahahaha, this is the lamest thing i've ever heard, seriously.

Posted by: Ahmer Khan | 23 Jun 2008 00:01:55

Obama doesn't have the cajones or integrity to select Hillary as his VP. Too bad, somebody's gotta show him how to run the country. This cocky, arrogant political opportunist will never get my vote. I've checked and I'm glad to report I can write in Hillary. COME ON HILLARY SUPPORTERS....DO THE SAME.....THIS IS BIGGER THAN OUR HERO HILLARY.

Posted by: michelle aguilar | 23 Jun 2008 02:16:59

Obama stole the nomination! If not for cheating Florida and michigan voters his lead may not have been there. He fought to see that our states got one half a vote! Come november I will have a full vote and I choose to write in Hillary and hope the 18 million plus that voted for her do likewise! Obama is not the cure for this country and will have it more divided than it already is!

Posted by: D. Taylor | 23 Jun 2008 05:56:51

I do think it is healthy to picker her up for democratic candidate ticket for two reasons. First, It is Psychological, Mrs. Clinton deeply think in her heart that she is far better and more qualified than Obama, which will make any decision made by the president is questionable and could be challenged by his vice president, assuming that Obama win the race. Second It is sentimental barrier, Just think, if some one kept saying about you that you are inexperience and too young for full year, plus the Rev. J Wright speeches as if Obama is responsible for what Rev. J Wright said and what he not said, these accusation really matters and hurts. Never mind about politician who suppose to put matters behind their back and move forward, it just can not work all the time.

Posted by: Khalil | 23 Jun 2008 08:34:45

Have the Hillary supporters got cowlick. Won't they ever stop whineing. If she had so many people that wanted her why did her campain go broke?

Posted by: Raymond | 23 Jun 2008 13:09:33

Obama will heal America and the world. But I doubt if he needs to carry the heavy burden that a Clinton VeePeeship will impose on him. I donot know his psyhcological make-up, but the mere thought of old Bill Boy and his scrappy wife looking over my shoulders would send the creeps down my spine

Posted by: Austin obiekezie | 23 Jun 2008 15:57:54

Patty Solis-Doyle did a poor job for Clinton. You or your supporters are not making nice Obama. Want to upset Clinton Supporters Obama? You have. A very arrogant, passive aggressive appointment on your part. Was Solis working for you all along?
Obama might be too insecure to pick Clinton for his VP. Obama Supporters your Golden Boy does not have a chance in he--, to get elected without us. Not smart to disregard our vote or discount Clinton. What is all the Obamies anger and attitude? If Obama is such a uniter he could join with Clinton and insure all fractions are represented in the democratic party. Then we can Win the White House.

Posted by: jheckerman | 23 Jun 2008 17:39:34

Obama will lose no matter who he chooses as a running mate. The vp position can not make up for all of Obama's shortcomings!

Posted by: roknroll | 23 Jun 2008 18:15:39

Now lets call a spade a spade and not a kitchen fork, if obama didnt go who else, your father or the old fool maccain alias bush.

Posted by: | 23 Jun 2008 18:18:27

As a republican, Obama/"Anyone by Clinton"-08 I would vote for.. Obama/Clinton-08 (Either Bill or Hillary) not a chance.

Here's an idea, not my own by the way, that the DNC would never do, but it is interesting if it really works this way. At the Convention, all super delegates decide not to vote in the first round. Neither Obama not Clinton have enough votes to win the nomination. Nominations are taken from the floor. Gore is nominated and asks Obama to be VP. Gore/Obama-08? Very interesting.....

Posted by: David | 23 Jun 2008 21:11:13

"Obama stole the nomination! If not for cheating Florida and michigan voters his lead may not have been there. He fought to see that our states got one half a vote!"

Blame your state party leaders for that one. He wasn't even on the ballot in MI and did not campaign in FL, as per party rules. How different your states primaries might have otherwise.
She ignored the rules in both states and then started whining when she realized she couldn't win w/o those ballots. And you really think she could possibly be a good leader???

Posted by: Llywus | 23 Jun 2008 22:37:40

I was a lifelong Republican until Bush/McCain/Romney opened my eyes to the near constant warmongering, immigrant-hating and populace fleecing nature of the Republican party.

Jesus Christ said "Blessed Are The Peacemakers", and "Come, Let Us Reason Together" when problems were to be resolved. George Bush and the other warmongers claim to be Christians, yet they disobey everything Christ commanded us, the refuse to pursue Peace, and do the exact opposite of what he instructed, by killing our fellow human beings.

It's time to stop being fooled by those who are themselves unaware of their errors. Jesus said: "Blessed are those who hear my commandments AND DO THEM." Those who promote peace and reasoning to resolve the nations and the worlds disputes are truly Christs disciples, and the genuine leaders of mankind.

Barack Obama is against war, for peace, and a promoter of meeting and reasoning to resolve disputes among nations, so that's the proof he is a genuine leader and, unlike George Bush, a true follower of Jesus Christ.

God Bless America and every man, woman and child of good will, who pursues Peace and Righteousness in our nation and on Earth.

Life is such a blessing... let's use these gifts of life we've been given, to make our world a better place for everyone, those living now, and those who will live in the future.

Let's leave this world a better place than we found it, and one awy we can do that is by promoting peaceful co-operation and co-existence, and electing leaders who do the same.

Peace.

Posted by: Erik Dufresne | 23 Jun 2008 23:17:28

I don't think there will be a female VP for Obama,if Mrs Obama has a say. And I believe she will! She will want to be the focus of attention in the White House.

Posted by: Dewey Robert | 23 Jun 2008 23:40:40

Hillary carries with her 18 million voters that will make Obama a shoe-in. Most of the comments objecting to Hillary as VP sound like republicans who dont want him to win with Hillary as his VP

Posted by: Myron | 24 Jun 2008 01:26:20

"This cocky, arrogant political opportunist will never get my vote."
-Posted by: michelle aguilar | 23 Jun 2008 02:16:59-

Seriously, the same exact thing could be said about Clinton. Where is she a senator from? (A:NY) Which state was she the first lady of before her first 8 years living at 1600 Pennsylvania? (A:AR) I won't research her entire history, but I know which state she had not been a resident of in over 16 years when she began her campaign for a senate seat. (A:NY) If that chain of events doesn't count as opportunism and, might I say, a bit cocky ("I'll just move into this state for a year then run for Senate"), I don't know what is.

The other thing I do know, is that in my 23 years of existence, there has been either a Bush or a Clinton as at least a VP, and for the past 20 years the Presidency. I will not vote for McCain in November (I like my free markets just like the next guy, but I'll take them without limits on personal freedom, thanks), and I will NOT vote to extend the stranglehold these 2 families have had on American politics my entire life. What's next? Jeb in 2012? Chelsea in 2016? (She'll be 36) Where does it end?

I strongly believe that there are other families with the capability to lead this great nation.

Posted by: SJHelmuth | 24 Jun 2008 01:33:55

Americans will ultimately get the president that they deserve. The American people should vote with their brains and not with their hearts. If you had to pick someone who could best run a multinational corporation, would you pick someone who had never done a similar job before? Would you put your future and your employees' future in the hands of a novice, or would you select someone you think could make the hard decisions and do the job right? Irrespective of whether you love or hate a candidate -- your question should be -- Can this person do the job that is required of him/her? Not whether he/she would qualify to be my best friend. Great leaders and managers are not necessarily the most loved, however, they are the most respected.

The Democrats need someone who can not only talk-the-talk, but someone who can also walk-the-walk. Perhaps, once again, the "popular vote should have prevailed" as it should have in your last election.

Posted by: ATENN | 24 Jun 2008 02:32:54

Why do people keep saying Obama is a black man. Please remember he is half black/half white.Surely that qualifies him as white just as much as black?

Posted by: Mikandrew | 24 Jun 2008 05:34:58

I am convinced that Barrack Obama will lead America to great prosperity if elected President of the United States.He is honest and peace loving citizen.He needs a qualified popular white VP to help him in the white house. Hillary supporters should put the past behind them and vote the right guy "Obama the Great" to take over the seat of Power.

Americans will forever be respected by every right thinking individual around the world as great role models if they could elect Obama to be their leader. I wish Obama victory!

Posted by: Chief Alake | 24 Jun 2008 12:15:49

The hiring of Patti Solis-Doyle by Senator Obama doesn't necessarily have to have a sinister meaning. Mrs. Clinton is the mostly likely VP at this time, so I don't think we should be surprised if she gets the spot.

Posted by: Clemmieo | 24 Jun 2008 14:31:53

it might seem that Obama is not ready to take hillaty as his vp by putting in Doyle as the chief of staff but this might be a plot to decapacitate Hillary if she is to be vp. With the working conditions not in favaour of Hillary she would automatically step down from the post.

Posted by: PUNEET ARORA | 24 Jun 2008 15:28:08

You know what is so sad? That so many millions are parsing the aspects of two fly specks. Out of 300M souls in this country, we are focused on a group (now just two) of the most dishonest, unqualified, losers in the crowd, trying to decide which pathetic choice will be our "Great Leader".

Posted by: Sadly Observant | 24 Jun 2008 15:51:26

l totally agree with the concept that Solis-Doyle was a mole in the Clinton campaign purely put to sabotage the HRC compaign.This is vindicated by the good performance that came in after she was fired.The reward is giving her this new position by Obama.lt was a good tactic by the Chicago mafia

Posted by: Nathan Zulu | 24 Jun 2008 16:56:43

I'm not going to even think of Obama's VP pick right now. However, for U.S. Secretary of Defense, i would say Jimmie "JJ" Walker of the old TV show "Good Times", because Mr Walker's catch phrase back then in the 1970's was "DY-NO-MITE" so any person with any amount of brains would have to agree that Mr Walker would be tough on terrorism & get the U.S. to win all wars against the bad guys..So i'm going to say JIMMIE "JJ" WALKER for U.S. Defense Secretary!!!

Posted by: Andy of Indiana | 24 Jun 2008 20:19:19

Of course its going to be Hillary. Obama and her both went to the Bilderbugers meeting in Chantilly so they could get the official nod. Will we be surprised by Obama doing a Vince Foster or Ron Brown during his presidency, I think not!!!

Posted by: Alan | 24 Jun 2008 20:22:49

Obama has learned well from his father and the other African chiefs, you always appoint the second in command of your opponent.

Posted by: Phil | 24 Jun 2008 20:39:20

Petrokolos? What is that? Petro coming from its origin?

Posted by: stenokolos | 24 Jun 2008 21:20:34

Obama will pick Bill Richardson as his running mate. Why? First, Richardson is by far more qualified to be president than Obama. Obama needs someone with experience in his administration. Second, Richardson was Governor of New Mexico which neighbors Arizona and could take votes from McCain. Third, Richardson is hispanic and Obama will have great difficulty pulling hispanic votes without him.

Posted by: Hannah Duccab | 24 Jun 2008 22:05:54

I have read all the comments from the people of the USA and i have come to a common sense conclusion. Obama is the answer for world PEACE and stability. McCain is for WAR and distraction. Furthermore if you multiply, for example Bush x 100 = McCain. Now if you divide McCain by 100=Obama. Now Obama + Hillary= 0 now Obama on his own = THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF USA. Remember this simple calculation for World PEACE and stability= OBAMA

Posted by: DanielSalaman | 24 Jun 2008 23:17:47

with all the people missing or ending up dead. why the hell would obama chance it.

Posted by: Michael Colemanhttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/06/federal-hammer.html | 25 Jun 2008 00:22:32

the obamas and the clintons working together. NOW THAT IS FUNNY !

Posted by: Michael Colemanhttp://latimesblogs.latimes.com/laplaza/2008/06/federal-hammer.html | 25 Jun 2008 00:46:32

Hillary lied to the grand jury...

Obama is a former addict whos spiritual mentor has been quoted many times as damning the US...

Someone explain to me why either one of them got ANY votes.

I will not be voting for McCain either. As a nonpartisan voter I will opt for my own write in, the same write in I used in the last election.

Posted by: Rose | 25 Jun 2008 00:56:30

OBAMA IS THE MOST QUALITY, MOST COMPASSIONATE, AND HAS EXPERIENCE DOWN HERE ON THE GROUND WITH THE REST OF US REGULAR FOLK. HILLARY DOESN'T HAVE THAT. SHE HAS THAT PUPPETED STANCE THAT TELLS US WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR IN A "I'M A MAN" VOICE. OBAMA HAS TACT AND EMPATHY IN HIS VOICE AND IS VERY WELL INFORMED ON THE ISSUES WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY OFFERING VERY.....MUST I SAY...........VERY..VERY...IMPRESSIVE/DOABLE SOLUTIONS. I NEED SOLUTIONS OVER RACE AND GENDER AND OBAMA GIVES THOSE SOLUTIONS.

Posted by: MEME | 25 Jun 2008 01:42:28

OBAMA IS THE MOST QUALITY, MOST COMPASSIONATE, AND HAS EXPERIENCE DOWN HERE ON THE GROUND WITH THE REST OF US REGULAR FOLK. HILLARY DOESN'T HAVE THAT. SHE HAS THAT PUPPETED STANCE THAT TELLS US WHAT WE WANT TO HEAR IN A "I'M A MAN" VOICE. OBAMA HAS TACT AND EMPATHY IN HIS VOICE AND IS VERY WELL INFORMED ON THE ISSUES WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY OFFERING VERY.....MUST I SAY...........VERY..VERY...IMPRESSIVE/DOABLE SOLUTIONS. I NEED SOLUTIONS OVER RACE AND GENDER AND OBAMA GIVES THOSE SOLUTIONS.

Posted by: MEME | 25 Jun 2008 01:43:35

Phil: Obama hasn't seen his dear old pappy since he was 2 years old. But then, your fantasy is complete and no one can change your mind to reality.


Erik: Is it right for Christians to lie? Is it right to make false statements? No Republican would EVER support a Marxist, and you know that; but then, you aren't a "lifelong" Republican, are you?

Posted by: schopenhauer | 26 Jun 2008 07:59:50

All the speculation about what Billary wants is amusing. Once she realizes she will never become president, she will leave the Senate and divorce Bill.

Posted by: Jim | 26 Jun 2008 16:18:30

Team Obama has been brilliant in its execution. I'm sure the vice presidential pick will be just as brilliant. There is plenty of room for Hillary and Bill Clinton in an Obama administration. I'm sure Bill would love to be Ambassador to some country with lots of pretty women to keep him occupied.

Posted by: Wanakee | 29 Jun 2008 04:33:25

I really don't know what to say, other than I'm pulling the non-of-the-above lever by voting for the Constitution Party's candidate. They are unlikely to be elected, but I can have a quiet conscience by not having voted for either self-serving party. The Repulicans and the Democrats are two corrupt sides of the same coin. Both parties have all the ethical constraints of a rigged slot machine, and people get the goverment they deserve by voting along the narrow constraints of the unintended two-party vaporlock than making a step toward healing the nation and getting back the limited government we were once blessed with by voting for the Constitutional Party or any other party that actually cares what the Founders intended for us. And no, it WASN'T "democracy" or a socialist fantasy utopia, either.

Posted by: Nick C. | 29 Jun 2008 16:36:40

Two thoughts....

Ted Strickland from Ohio would be a great choice. He is the (popular) governor of a state Obama needs to win. He has served in Congress which also gives him Washington experience. He can also help with independents as well. When he was elected governor 50% of republicans and independents that voted for Strickland were self described "conservatives". He is also a former Methodist minister and may bring over some more moderate evangelicals. The down side is that he has only served 2 years of his term.

As far as Hillary is concerned Governor of New York would be a good move for her. The democrats would maintain her seat in the Senate. She would get valuable executive experience and if McCain wins she would most likely be the presumptive nominee in for years in what would more than likely be an open election.

Posted by: john from cincinnati | 30 Jun 2008 00:23:40

The story goes around of two Republicans talking in 1967 about the 1964 election (Johnson-Goldwater, for you young'uns). One of these Republicans says to the other "They told me that if I voted for Goldwater in 64, we'd have an ex[anded war in Vietnam; and sure enough, I voted for Goldwater and now we have a much bigger war in Vietnam". I'm worried that I'll be echoing the sentiment in a few years, after I vote for McCain. Except the expanded war will be nuclear, and in the entire middle east with maybe a single bomb or two in North America. Hitler was appeased by popular politicians at the time as well - yet, looking back, we see that those politicians were fools to believe that appeasing a terrorist ever solves anything. "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to relive it".

Posted by: Eskimo Heel | 30 Jun 2008 00:31:19

I hate to bother Hannah's post by pointing out an arithmetic error. She said
"Furthermore if you multiply, for example Bush x 100 = McCain. Now if you divide McCain by 100=Obama. Now Obama + Hillary= 0 now Obama on his own = THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF USA. Remember this simple calculation for World PEACE and stability= OBAMA"

No Hannah - if

bush x 100 = mccain

then

mccain / 100 = bush

Hence, according to your calculations

Bush = Obama

Arithmetic doesn't lie. On the good side, however, you MAY have the skills to qualify for Obama's Secretary of the Treasury or maybe IRS Director.

Posted by: Eskimo Heel | 30 Jun 2008 00:36:46

Sen. Obama's first big decision is his choice for VP. If he chooses Hilary it will be his first big mistake. She and Bill will act like they are co-presidents from the first day and undermine sen. Obama every chance they get.

Posted by: Chris The Cop | 30 Jun 2008 02:25:20

»

Post a comment

Comments are moderated, and will not appear on this weblog until the author has approved them.

  • Your writers

    Daniel Finkelstein,
    is Chief Leader Writer of The Times and writes a weekly column. Comment Central is his rolling guide to the best opinion on the web.
    Hattie Garlick, the Online Comment Editor, will also be posting.

    Send us an email

    Click here for more information on the blog.

    Latest posts

    Latest comments

    Categories

    Select from the dropdown

You might also like...

  • 2008 Presidential election
  • Cassilis
  • Justin Webb's America
  • Boulton and Co.
  • Benedict Brogan
  • Dizzy Thinks
  • Chris Dillow
  • The Fink Tank
  • Daniel's Weekly Column
  • Oliver Kamm
  • Stephen Pollard
  • Iain Dale
  • Nick Robinson
  • Guido Fawkes
  • Conservative Home
  • Clive Davis
  • Arts & Letters Daily
  • Real Clear Politics
  • Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish
  • Marbury
  • Mickey Klaus
  • Political Betting
  • Times Online Weblogs
  • Times Comment

News from
Times Online

  • UK
  • Crime
  • Education
  • Environment
  • Health
  • Political
  • Science
  • World
  • Iraq
  • US
  • Europe
  • Middle East
  • Asia
  • Africa
  • Technology
  • Business
  • US Elections
Other Times Online blogs
  • Crime Central
  • Faith Central
  • Urban Dirt
  • Alpha Mummy
  • BabyBarista
  • Ariel Leve
  • Charles Bremner
  • Inside Iraq
  • Irwin Stelzer
  • Mary Beard (TLS)
  • Money Central
  • News
  • Sports Commentary
  • Peter Stothard (TLS)
  • Richard Lloyd Parry
  • Ruth Gledhill
  • Tech Central
  • The Game

Feeds

Get the latest news and comments via RSS

Use the buttons below to add the feeds to your RSS reader, or right the links above, click and choose "save target as", then paste the url into your RSS reader.

For more information on using RSS, and for more feeds from Times Online, visit

the main RSS page

Bloglines
Google
Yahoo!
Netvibes

For older posts, visit the archive

  • 2006
  • 2007
  • Jan 2008
  • Feb 2008
  • March 2008
  • April 2008
  • May 2008
  • June 2008
  • July 2008
  • August 2008
  • September 2008
  • October 2008
  • November 2008
  • December 2008
  • January 2009
  • February 2009
  • March 2009