Mr Wingfield, not a nazi, writes...

Following the article on the BNP I received this e.mail from Mr Martin Wingfield, editor of the BNP's own newspaper.

Good Morning David,
You are normally 'bang on the button' with your comment, but referring to the BNP as "Griffin¹s bunch of assorted racists, anti-Semites and goons" is out of date and now inaccurate.
Please read the Election Special issue of Freedom and meet some of the people you are denigrating by this description.

www.bnp.org.uk/freedom

Martin Wingfield,
Editor,
Freedom.

I replied....

Dear Martin,

Thank you for your note. It was written in such reasonable terms that I could hardly refuse your suggestion. It is always possible that the BNP - led by a man who was motivated by race to enter politics, and whose own ideology is consistently informed by ideas of race - has now decided to shed its past and become an entirely new political force. The Italian neo-fascist party, though never as racist as the BNP, has undergone some similar kind of transformation.

And, of course, there are indeed smiling BNP candidates, who don't have (as many of your activists do) convictions for violence or racial assault, or who may have no idea at all of the BNP's roots and its connections with racist organisations abroad. Without wanting to labour the analogy, not every Nazi was a Julius Streicher. I am sure that there were many comfortable matrons, many district nurses, many rural postmen who thought that it was lamentable, but true, that the Jews were indeed Germany's misfortune, but who would never beat up a Jew themselves.

The real point is that there is no sign whatsoever of your party itself giving up its obsession with race and the scapegoating of immigrants. Your paper proves this with its manic concentration on stories concerning Muslims, asylum-seekers and so on. And let me give one small example, which - if I have somehow misunderstood, you can explain.

On page five or six there is a story accompanied by a photograph. The picture is of Ken Livingstone in a tube train carriage with 20 or so children who are playing musical instruments. The piece doesn't see what I see - a pleasant sight of young school-kids making music. No, it comments, snidely, on the fact that the mayor is oblivious to fact that, of these children from Carpenters primary school in Newham, “not one child is a native Briton”.

Here's my first question, Martin. How did you KNOW that not one of these children was a "native Briton"? What research did you do to discover that not one of them was born here? Or did you base your assumption on their colour? You can see the implications here: the logic is no different from Nazi logic, if what you did was to exclude them from the community of Britons by reason of race.

My second question is, suppose that you did somehow KNOW that not one of these children had been born in this country - so what?

Yours,

David A

   

Comments

[Joy Springreen]

Go on David! Suck it to them! That rag of theirs isnt a shmatte good enough to clean my tochas.

For the members of the BNP reading this, it is a less eloquent expression that means; its a rag that i wouldnt even clean my nether regions with.

Yet again racialisation, racialisation, racialisation.

Politics is about good management. Ergonomic policy and sensitive understanding of peoples life issues.
Not "look at these children, they are born in sin because of their background"

Its a fact that you cant govern for toffee and your whole approach shows that you are all a bunch of politically impotent gullible fools (the non subscribing supporters) and a bunch of racist thugs (party members). The cauliflowered eared low brow muscle men behind Griffin confirms that you havent moved on from the skins of the 70's. Just because you have expanded your vernacular beyond racist insults doesnt mean that you have reinvented anything. Like i said before. Mosely, Powell and Tebbitt are all history. As are the BNP. Bye bye. Dont get yourself into debt with printing costs. Get ahead of the game and do something more constructive with your life than attempting to drum up the kind of hatred that will lead to the deaths of innocent children. Thats actually what the post war period has been about. Getting away from politics of hate and giving people a life.

The BNP have 21 councillors in the whole country, where we have a total 22,000. Face it. You're losers.

So count your blessings Martin and; "get a life".

[Nick (South Africa)]

>It is always possible that the BNP - led by a man who was motivated by race to enter politics, and whose own ideology is consistently informed by ideas of race - has now decided to shed its past and become an entirely new political force.<

Of course you're correct David in your analysis of the BNP and their vile, unwholesome obsession with race. Not to mention their distinctly left wing economic policies.

But then again, I understand that you were once a Communist, an equally, if not more discredited and thuggish ideology than that of the BNP. I'm assuming you no longer identify yourself as a Communist...but I’m not sure if you were put off by the authoritarian nature of state Communism, whenever it has had clear power or it’s demonstrably failed method of marshalling resources by 'central planning' and socialist principles?

[john gregory Flinn]

It's clear that Joy Sprinsteen has'nt expanded her (incoherent) vernacular beyond racist insults - and worse!
By the way it was'nt Disreali - although he was a right-winger and an able prime minister.
Just repeating something often and loud enough does not make it true, that's just propaganda!
I'm sure Mr Wingfield is well able to answer your question himself, but he might have forgotten Ken Livingston....

[Joy Springreen]

Im giving you too much time as it is. You wont get in and even if you make some gains, the majority of the UK will react to drive you out. What is it that you find incoherent? please tell me. Seeing as you dont actually say anything except attempts to hide your racism with loosely cobbled ideas.
.....as Nick from SA said. The BNP has nationalist agenda on one hand with "socialist" economic policy on the other. Sounds like national socialism to me.

[emanuel appel]

A letter from America

To Joy Springreen,

You, David the journalist, and I are like the little Dutch boy with the finger in the dyke. We are so desperate to preserve the Jewish status quo that we fail to see the rising waters.

This state of affairs has come about because the responsible political elite has failed in its duty to protect the British people from an unwanted invasion.

We are not going to talk reason to the British population and be heeded. The gut reaction of any nation is self preservation. Is there any difference between the BNP and the French National Front? NO, because the bottom line is the preservation of the nation.

[Joy Springreen]

well if the only thing the BNP want to do is lobby for more anglophonic music on the radio then their job would be done already.

I suppose that would be a marginalisation of a sort.

The truth is they are marginal. Thats the perception. But in the colloquial meaning of: A small marginally marginal party somewhere off the margin. As they are simply a single issue party. The only real constructive contribution they make is to alert people to the fact that MAYBE a degree of kind management needs to be put into place within the home office and its procedure of immigration, BUT never to let them gain one inch on the financial and mangement part of state structure.

If the BNP talk about east european immigrants so as to play down the "racism card" and thus be portrayed as the modern face of Middle falling down britain then its just thinly veiled.
Let me explain FALLING DOWN britain - a film with the oh so handsome (NOT!... "Oystered eyed capo" i tell you David, that in itself has had me chuckling a few times this week) leader cast in Michael Douglas role, only this time on Falling Down UK "the BNP remake", when he gets to the military hardware store he befriends the owner and they share thoughts over a very, seemingly civilised cup of tea in his "crazy basement" and thus putting a human face on the "white underdog working man".
Ridiculous isnt it? Well so is the BNP.
All they do is to serve to remind us that britain is free because they never ever in history got into power not from moselys time and not now. The UK must must be kept free from the likes of them.

Lots of good reasons off the cuff as to why the UK must be kept free of the BNP and here they are..

In 2041 China is set to overtake the USA in economic power. Its Europe or nothing for the UK, im afraid. WE cant be small minded about it, we need a long plan like the chinese we cant start indulging idiotically narrow and small minded policies and think that kicking people of the world out is going to make britain better. It wont, it will make us stupid and under-resourced for a start as well as a milion other reasons.

Look, the issue of immigration has to be addresed, sure. Prosperity leads to harmony we all know that, and so the BNP are always stirring up who they see as the disenfranchised. The poor. But maybe what they "disenfranchised" poor dont need is a political group founded on notions of segregation and politcal hate, they need the system to come down to them. And thats about community services and not about getting into power to split up a perfectly healthy and vibrant culture. I dont see soup kitchens, creches, community organic produce schemes or help the aged coming out of BNP party activists. There arent any. Its angry young man stuff and angry young men grow old... and bitter. For Instance; why doesnt the BNP start getting involved with actually, physically, helping mentally ill people get about and get better. Why not?, ill tell you why not;
Thats because the whole thing is founded on hate not help. All the other parties in Britain are founded on structure and helping people.
But not the BNP.
(BUF, NF, BNP. Thats their march of "progress"?! Pah! youre pathetic).
The BNP went from mosely to tyndall to griffin. Each of them grotesque but in different ways.

More reasons why the BNP should never get near power.

Our big British multi-culture is a wonderful thing and that has to be protected.
Look at Northern Ireland and tell me that the good work in making peace there isnt about people wanting to be part of a big peaceful British multiculture. More prosperous and no more communal war.

There is enough to go round and more. Our Big Multiculture of old empire now reformed and internationally influential multi-culture is the best. People flock to London for it. Its our number one asset. Its because of all the contributions that everyone has made together that people come here. Its not the simply the Queen (happy birthday ma'am), Tower of London and Madam Tussauds. We have a huge access to foreign markets, more than most.

The UK matches the US for music and arts output. Thats a market in itself. (As well as being hugely diplomatic). Weve got major a plug into the global culture. Huge, in fact. It comprises of so much of our British (english, welsh scots NI & Ire) and commonwealth (please dont make me name all those countries) and recent immigrants from east europe. All growing up and expressing themselves through british culture together and thats what the whole world likes about the Brits.
We are still selling "are you being served" somewhere in the world for prime time family viewing, i bet. Whilst plugging even more new acts. Longevity, consitency of quality and originality of source.

We trade with them because weve got links in. A reflection of links in, is people here. They move on trade routes. Always have.
There is of course the dark side to that whereby people are traded. And that is rife and it is wrong. But thats a matter of organised crime and not race politics from "auslanders"

What about emigration and opportunity, If Britain of old was so great why doesnt the "proud Britain": embolden himself with that adventurer spirit, stand up and go forth to work and set up a company in a east european baltic State?
Thats more constructive sense of patriotic pride than being racialised. Even when Britain was romantically "great" there were even more poor people and much less opportunity. Money was made abroad, that the British thing.
There is more money and a better standard of living for Brits to enjoy by moving their companies to Tallinn or Helsinki, Warsaw or Riga. These places are ripe for business and Britain has to keep its options open. Thats means Europe and everywhere really. (Remember we still have Bermuda and Gibraltar and the falklands and quite a few others).

So if the complaining that Britain isnt great anymore because of an influx of people from eastern european countries, go there and set up business. Trade with Britain from that economy out of the "unconscious preference of choice" line, and do the country more good than trying to rip up its multiculture.
why would you want to do a thing like that? So you can sit in your garden and say with pride "look at us weve got nothing, but i can sit in my garden and call myself an Englishman"? Fact of the matter being that monoculture is always bad, its the number one rule. Its a seed of demise in itself. The culture needs to be able to adapt and move and express. British culture does now and because it is vibrant and diverse.

The Long plan... its all about China for our children/grandchildren (delete as appropriate.)
Were going to be begging for language lessons off all the non-communist Chinese communities who live here in Britian in the next 30 years. We need all the world knowledge and languages we can get hold of.
We gave up Hong Kong to China and now China is playing with Taiwan and North Korea and testing the water with the USA, to see "where they are at" , so to speak, they are in no hurry. They are thinking about trajectory over the next 30 years.

and We?
well weve spent far too much time talking about the BNP, so my best advice is to ignore them. Weve much more important things to think and act on than anything the BNP can offer. Like where we really sit in international society. Forget this small minded bunch of fools. Please from a Brit to all the Brits. Please do NOT ever vote for the BNP.

The basis of my argument is;
multi-culture is good, it helps us to adapt, invest, learn and grow.
Dont vote BNP, its a stupid idea.
End of.
Too much expended for the likes of you BNP people.
everyone esle; have a good weekend.
and please...before i leave
Mr Griffin et al; shut up and shove off.
(and if i ever catching you using that line in any campaign im gonna sue you into the dark ages, Lawyer, Pah! Ill make your head spin sonny)

[Deirdre]

A vote for the BNP is, for the white working class, simply a way of throwing a wobbly. When the middle classes wish to do this they vote Lib Dem --or decide that Livingstone would make a good Mayor. There is an enormous gulf between support for the BNP in this country and the solid 'respectable' support which the FN enjoys in France. After all a worthy candidate for the Presidency was pushed into third place by Le Pen.

[critical-mass]

Great stuff David! I look forward to the reply.
brief note to Joy Springsteen - TLDR.
(TLDR - Too long, didn't read)

[Joy Springreen]

well "critical mass" (what a thinly veiled BNP suggestive enigmite you are), the basis of the argument is at the bottom. So your literacy problem and concentration span can be humored, and here it is again

"The basis of my argument is;
multi-culture is good, it helps us to adapt, invest, learn and grow.
Dont vote BNP, its a stupid idea.
End of.
Too much expended for the likes of you BNP people.
everyone else; have a good weekend.
and please...before i leave
Mr Griffin et al; shut up and shove off.
(and if i ever catching you using that line in any campaign im gonna sue you into the dark ages, Lawyer, Pah! Ill make your head spin sonny)"

there you have it.

FOAD.