Hillary Under Fire

It seems that Hillary's latest tale of derring do, her gripping account of how she dodged sniper fire on a trip to Bosnia twelve years ago and had to bolt from her helicopter on landing were, shall we say, at odds with the more prosaic reality as captured by this now famous video from CBS. News.

Shame being in notably short supply in the Clinton campaign (Judas, anyone?), I had half expected them to try to tough this one out.  Perhaps they would claim that the CBS clip didn't show the moment when Mrs Clinton and Sheryl Crow came under fire from angry Serb gatecrashers ticked off that Sinbad wasn't geting more time at the microphone? That girl in the video handing her what looked like a greeting card at the arrival ceremony that wasn't supposed to have happened? Perhaps we'd be told it contained traces of a noxious substance that Mrs Clinton bravely ignored in the pursuit of some valuable hands-on foreign policy experience?

But it wasn't to be. Mrs Clinton claimed instead she merely "misspoke". That's fair enough. People do that. I can recall a president a while back saying "I never had sex with that woman". Turned out he misspoke too.

I had once thought that Mrs Clinton's sheer determination to fight on was her greatest asset. But now it looks merely like desperation.   Her main hope seems to be to hang on in the hope that something really horrible will emanate from the Obama campaign. That could happen. I'm with Christopher Hitchens in not being quite so impressed by St Barack's Epistle To the Americans on race last week.

But is this the way the Democrats really want their contest to end?  Watch as the  Clintons and their allies raise enough doubts about Mr Obama' electability (code for "race")  that the superdelegates will turn to her in the wreckage?

Comments

[Rachel Bell]

I can't believe this. This is not a mistake, or an exaggeration. It is a lie.

[americanabroad]

honesty and integrity are very important. that woman has neither. who wants a president who runs a chaotic campaign, with 'misspoken' words? who wants a president who can't remember details? who wants a president that embellishes the truth?

[FN]

Yes, hillary is Liar same like bill clinton
" I never have sex with this woman, ms. Monica.."
How can American can trust this woman?
Both of them back in White House again, then American will have BIG Problem LATER

[Constance Mitchell]

Hillary will do anythign to win, even to destroying the Democratic Party. Mr. Obama is trying to take the high road, but what can he do with Hillary's kitchen table politics. She is certainly dispecible.
Let's not forget the documents turning up in her White House bedroom and all the other lies she has been telling the American public over the years.
If Barac had said those lies, he would be history!!!!!!

[Doreen]

I believe this woman is so determined to win, and so damned evil, that she will stop at nothing - not even assassination!
God help Obama!

[Daphne Kenward]

Is it a co-inccident that Mrs Clinton for her Campaign used the add for Calpol, of a little girl who has now since grown up and is Voting Obama, and has been in the Media and openly says so on the International News. Then this Falshood about her international experience, doing what exactly on the coat tail of Mr Clinton shaking hands perhaps, the Clinton Name has a History OK. Only trouble is there are many footage of her she should be careful what she claims. She had been digging up the Dirt On Obama, about what other people are doing and saying and trying to attach Obama to it, other people can think what they like and say what they like. Obama is only too aware it not about the others it is all about you, and no one else. Rev Wright is not running for President of the United States, Nor is Farakahn, or some guy who he brought a house from, she should becareful that White Water scandal does not come back to haunt her, people living in glass houses should not throw stones.

[David Cunard]

It only takes a simple photograph of Mr Obama and the Rev. Wright with the words "God Damn America" superimposed over the latter to convince many American voters that Mr Obama is unelectable. British writers and readers forget all too easily how patriotic are Americans, and an affront to their country, as this was, eclipses the uplifting message of 'change' and 'hope'. The Clinton campaign will not press the issue, but if the Swift Boat commercials opposing Mr Kerry are any indication of how rough the going can be, then be assured that the 'pastor disaster' is far from over. Super delegates will be bound to consider this in Denver, and the "inevitability" of an Obama candidacy will vanish. It won't be race that determines the outcome but the credibility of a man who has chosen Dr Wright as his spiritual guide and mentor.

[Good Sport Aussie]

In Australia, it's simply called "bulls..t". What is this "misspoke" HRC. Sounds like a lie to me and simply reinforces my gut reaction to you many months ago...you are simply untrustworthy.

[Martyn Millard]

Perhaps a better example of 'mispokingness' might be 'Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction' or are we witnessing some political bias here.

[Jenni]

So Hitchen isn't impressed by Obama's speech????? You're kidding, right? I'm a mixed-race American and after living in England for 20 years his potential candidacy for President is just about the only reason (family aside) I'd even consider returning to live in the US. His speech resonated deeply for me and millions of others, I'm gobsmacked that anyone can read/hear that speech and not feel lifted by a) the truth of what he says and b) the recognition and acknowledgement of the press that we ALL need to understand what's he's said. He's neither 'playing the race card' nor defending inflamatory statements of Rev Wright. Get off your high horse and get real, the world needs Obama's courage, insight and intellectual brilliance. Look at the current presidential offering, then reconsider Obama. This is an opportunity for the entire world, not just the US, to benefit.

[tim]

don't you think this is a little over dramatic. This was an exageration for the sake of a story. We have all done it. Obama outright lied about Wright to try and save his skin, and tthen had to admit it a few days later anyway. This is not in the same league!!!!! Obviously there is no real news about?

[Andy Coxon]

Christopher Hitchens has a book called 'Letters to a Young Contrarian' for a reason....

Even if you didn't agree with the content, you couldn't fail to be impressed by the rhetoric of Obama's speech.

Hillary on the other hand, just time and again proves she's not to be trusted.

[Hank Price]

Let's call a spade a damned shovel! Hillary Clinton AND Bill Clinton are the WORST LIARS to ever have disgraced the White House.

Even Mr. We Need Change Obama is showing himself to be the liar he is.

What America needs is a thoroughly honest and decent politician -- like Ron Paul. Which is probably WHY the media did its best to discredit Ron Paul's campaign from the start.

Decency does not make headlines. Scandals and stenches do! Which explains perfectly WHY the media supported Bill Clinton 16 years ago and why the media supports Hillary Clinton and Barak Husein Obama today!

Because were either to ascend to the presidency, scandals and stenches would all be but guaranteed.

As to that vaunted "DREAM TICKET" -- it would simply guarantee a Republican win this November. Both Hillary and Obama being equally despicable to many of us voters.

[George Vasilakis]

The previous comment about Obama having to worry about an assasination from the HRC group is not all that crazy.

Consider all the so called suicides and strange deaths associated with the Clintons.

Their lawyer, his body guards, Ron Brown, the Yugoslavian air traffic controlor who caused Ron Bown,s plane to hit a mountain instead of a runway, etc.

I have another blog saved which lists around 20 strange suicides or accidents of people associated with the Clintons. You can discount one of these deaths, you can discount two, but can you discount all of them?

I do not really believe that HRC was all that upset at Bills escapades. She seemed more angry about him getting caught and destroying her chances for a future presidency.

I am certain that their sex was an agreement of making one child, each getting what they could on the side and both chasing women. How did Bill even know to select lesbians for the two Deparments of Health and Justice?

How did the supposedly sophisticated New Yorkers get fooled by such a sleezy carpetbgger?

[Chris]

I love it! Baker is a genius! Misstatement, mislewlinsky.

"I never had sexual relations with that woman, mislewinsky."

[Wesley, Texas]

Personally, I'm just impressed at how well trained Chelsea is.

Asked about both her father's proven infidelity and her mother's proven lying, she side-stepped the issues with the deftness of a politician twice her age -- citing privacy concerns in the former and feelings of honor and support for the military in the latter -- all without ever daring to risk the formulation of an indepenedent thought on the subjects.

Now that, is impressive.

[Tony Pike]

Americans love to use long words
Is this the reason why Hillary used the word "mis-spoke" instead of "lied"?

[Clive Warner]

When one in every nine black Americans are rotting in jail, I believe that Pastor Wright has a point.

[Gimme A Break]

Perhaps those were the thoughts going through their heads while they were on the plane preparing to make their way to the terminal gate. They knew there had been weapons fire throughout the country before they landed and surely they were apprehensive. And in their memories of the trip, perhaps those thoughts became the reality. Surely some of us remember episodes from the past differently from what really transpired. And just as surely some of our stories get more exaggerated the more times we tell them. I'm no great Clinton fan, but this is a non-story to me.

[NoOneYouKnow]

Want to know what Hillary's really about? Do some checking up on her involvement with the Iran-Contra scandal and the airfield in Mena, Arkansas. Her lying is the least of her "foibles."

[USAFvet]

I said several years back that a party led by a man most famous for an unstable scream (that would be Howard Dean) would self-implode. I also said that failing to win in '08 would, for all intents and purposes, be the end to the Democrats.
Look at the candidates they've presented since...
John Kerry...who got busted for lying about his Vietnam War record and flip-flopping on issues.
Hillary Clinton...who's getting busted for lying and exagerrating about her record and experiences.
Barack Obama...who's getting raked over the coals for his close relationship with his pastor...a man who spews racial and anti-America rhetoric.
Wow...talk about rolling out the winners! LOL
1991...women swooned and the masses were wooed and wowed by the smooth and slick oratory skills of a Democrat running for president.
2008...women are swooning and the masses are being wooed and wowed by the smooth and slick oratory skills of a Democrat running for president.
Except...the masses are now seeing the candidate from '91 and his wife for what they truly are - ruthless politicians who will do whatever it takes...even telling blatant lies (anyone who believes Hillary simply "misspoke" is a fool)...to win an election and the masses are turning on them.
Anyone else see history repeating itself?

[Hank Price]

Sorry to disagree with CONSTANCE MITCHELL, but Obama can hardly be said to "take the high road."

Sitting through 20 years of racist, anti-White venom and hatred spewed by Jeremiah Wright, yet being hypocrite enough to call for the firing of Don Imus for what was admittedly a bad joke. . . Do Americans REALLY want a phony like Obama for president?

We want racial justice AND racial equality. Which means that Obama blasting Imus, Obama having been found out -- should do the decent, HONORABLE thing and drop out. Let him assign his delegates to Mitt Romney or whomever was the third place finisher.

Sitting in silence through so much racial venom and hatred; and not speaking out AGAINST such venom makes Obama just as guilty of bias and inciting racial hatred as Wright!

Picture the screams of outrage were any Republican presidential aspirant guilty of such conduct -- like attending weekly Klan meetings, for one example!

Time to take the blinders from our eyes and see what a perversion Black's vision of equality and justice TRULY are! That Blacks should be allowed to do or say anything with impunity but would deny this same right to Whites.

[geg]

It's hard to believe the best the democrats can offer is a former cocaine user and a liar. To me they're both the same!

McCains looking better every day!

[Scott]

Hillary Clinton, like her husband, is a repeat and unrepentant prevaricator. She appears to have nary a single moral scruple about lying to anyone in order to get what she wants. Even when caught in an outright lie, she tries to wiggle free by making excuses for herself or claiming her "memory" of events is conveniently different than everyone else's.

Arghhhhh!!!!!

She is THE canonical example of what is WRONG with American politicians and is the last person the country should turn to for leadership. Period.

The Founding Fathers would be aghast at the thought of installing in the highest leadership position of the country someone who is so morally ill-equipped to lead.

Clinton makes O'Bama look like a saint, but they're both still left-of-center socialistic democrats. Ugh....

[Ankur]

I completely agree with Jenni. Obama is the only one brave enough to talk to Americans on race issues like they are adults. He does not over-simplify matters and completely condemns the Reverend. He is the only person who can truly see both sides of the coin on a personal level.

After years of America under Bush, the world is sick and tired of the empty rhetoric and fear mongering. Lets get real and get behind the man who offers the most honest answers to current problems.

As far as the Hitchens article goes, the man does not even look at what the Reverend's argument was. It fixates on the horrifying words, and does not look into the main argument (American foreign intervention has come back to haunt it now). It is sad that nobody is allowed to publicly criticize anything that America does abroad.

[Elizabeth]

I understand Hilary later tried to explain her lie, sorry 'misspeaking', on the basis that she was 'tired' at the time. Probably NOT the best person to be answering the red telephone at 3 am then after all ...

[Charles]

So am I to understand that the US Armed Forces, the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, and President Clinton, knowingly put Chelsea Clinton (a child) and Hillary Clinton (First Lady) in imminent danger of enemy snipers????

Are you kidding me?

Mrs. Clinton, remember that LIES ARE FAR REACHING, just ask Impeached President Bill Clinton.

Current US ARMY SOLDIER

[Texas Democrat]

How many war zones has Obama been to? How many countries? This article just points out that Obama has no experience in foreign affairs, or real experience at all. So we are back to judgement and creditibility of Obama. And we all know how good that has been the past 20 years!
What the media and Obama will put as headlines to change the real topic!

[Richard]

People are people. Politicians know this and use this to their advantage. The entire system is flawed. No candidate on either side of the 'aisle' offers anything but platitudes and more of the same. The only real change we will see will be in economic matters, both States-side and internationally. Moreover, Presidential influence on economics is spurious at best. However, EVERY candidate will have you to believe otherwise.

[TJFRMLA]

If Americans don't want to vote for Senator Obama...Rev Wright is just an excuse for racism that already exists. When Catholic priest were molesting children you did not see a mass exit from the Catholic church.
This "patriotic outrage" is just racism wrapped in the American flag. Personally I prefer they return to the sheets. No one is fooled.

[Joanhh]

There are lapses in memory, we occasionally misspeak: but if I were running across the tarmac trying to avoid sniper's bullets I think I would remember that. In Bill Clinton's words: "Give me a break."

This is not an exaggeration or an embellishment. It's simply and plainly, a lie. She lied to make herself look good. What else is she lying about?

[Russ]

Good old Hilliary is a liar whenever it suits her purposes. Yes there are people who like her. They also wouldn't recognise the devil if he knocked at their front door. If Hilliary unfortunately was elected president, we never will know what the meaning of the word "is" is. I would rather elect sombody who is a little less skilled rather than somebody who has been called by the master lier as the brightest smartest woman in the world, who is also known for her propensity for lying a lot too. Lying runs in the family we understand.

[Bob]

The problem is Hillary and Al Gore both watched Bill Clinton tell lies and get away with them for eight years. So they both have tried repeatedly to lie, and for some reason they keep getting caught. It must be really irritating to them.

[Stephen Riley]

Is it not wonderful when one can actually prove that a politician is lying. Hillary cant help lying, but she usually gets away with smoothtalking spin. She once (or more than once) said that she was named after Sir Edmund Hillary ..... but he did not become a world famous name until he scaled Everest ...years after Hillary was born.... The spin in that case was ...." well that is what my mother told me". " Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire."

[John Hilliard]

Obama's race speech told me something I had never thought about in dealing with race: people say crazy things, but most of us are much more complicated than our words depict, and before we are judged, we deserve to be seen in light of our whole lives, of what we have contributed and how we have helped, and not just how frustrated and angry we sometimes feel about the world we experience as unfair.

[lambs]

We have only touched the iceberg of lies: NAFTA, Bosnia, Iraq, tax returns. Why is she hiding her tax returns and contributions to her lying husband who cost the taxpayers millions of dollars when he looked into the global camera and claimed 'he did not have relations with that girl'. Who wants to spend millions more just to get to the truth - it will never come from the Clintons. If we must judge, let's judge candidates on what THEY say, not what others say. Let's select a candidate who is candid...I'm tired of 'misspeak'. If there isn't truth, there isn't trust. Let's get a candidate who can unite, who has, in fact, been vetted. She has not as long as her returns and other documents are kept hidden. The only way Washington politics will change - the only way - is to discount special interest groups. Which candidate has and which candidate has not and why? Let's move forward with a visonary, leader who is diplomatic in speach and not just a 'fighter' - her claim to fame. We've had enough fighters who get us into fights. Billary for the sake of this great country take your lies and lie down...

[Beverly]

Senator Clinton misspoke due to being sleep deprived. Now let's go to her 3 a.m. video. Do you want a sleep deprived President answering a crisis phone call who can't be trusted to relay the truth. Why this President preference race is still going on is ridiculous. If the superdelegates don't put a stop to the Clinton's political antics and allow Obama ,who has won fair and square from the Iowa caucus on to be the nominated candidate it will be a travesty and a blemish to America's idea of democracy that the whole world will be in on.

[Beverly]

I hope and pray that the superdelegates will have the stamina to put a stop to the Clinton campaign antics. The embellishment has gone on since the Iowa Caucus. Iowa rejected Senator Clinton's name, and what she is known for. The Clinton campaign should have bowed out of this race. All they are doing is cheating their way to a nomination that Obama won fair and square from Iowa on. He didn't lie in Florida and Michigan. Senator Clinton does not need to be in the White House at 3 a.m. to deal with a crisis given what the world has seen of her undemocratic political tactics.

[Grahame Thorne]

After escaping from her overly controlling campaign manager for the evening, Hillary sneaked off to visit a fortune teller of some local repute.
In a dark and hazy room, peering into a crystal ball, the mystic delivered grave news.
'There's no easy way to say this, so I'll just be blunt, prepare yourself to be a widow. Your husband will die a violent and horrible death this year, just after you lose the election.'
Then the soothsayer looked up and locked eyes with Hillary, who was visibly shaken at this news.
Hillary stared back at the woman's lined face, then at the single flickering candle, then down at her shaking hands. She took a few deep breaths to compose herself.
She simply had to know. She looked back, deep into the fortune teller's gaze, steadied her voice, and asked her the big question:
'Will I be acquitted?'

[michael scott]

It is difficult to understand how anyone could still appear to be surprised on hearing the Cllintons have lied, again. The problem with many journalists, particularly European ones where US politics is concerned, is they keep getting it wrong, again. Obama is clean and on track.

[Fred Vanley]

To Jenni:

If Obama was elected, you might as well stay in England. With his socialist ideas, he would attempt to turn America towards the English way of life. I'm not personally willing to let this happen.

[GenRach]

We told you so. It's a Clinton thing..

[Daniel Lewis]

I'm amazed at how often (in other forums) I see people defending HRC's obvious lying behavior. The defences run the gamut from comparisons to Bush to minimizing the impact of lying to comparing what a CANDIDATE said to what another candidate's former minister said. Are lobotomies required for membership in the democratic party? How did this grasping, arrogant, deceitful, manipulative person get a nomination? Even though I'm voting for McCain, at least if Obama wins, I won't be assuming my President can't tell the truth from a lie anymore.

[Ben]

All of this talk is fruitless. The sad truth is that the largest percentage of active voters are senior citizens, most of whom are sexist and racist. The Republicans only need to field a white male to win. And they have done so. I came out of my hovel and saw my shadow, I predict four more years of Republican tyrrany.

[Karley]

The thing is, this country is in such bad shape now and getting worse day by day. Wouldn't it make sense to put a person in there that could start straighting out Bush's mess? I'm not saying that Obama would be the worse choice, the country is in dire straights and it needs someone who has the knowledge and know how to get things done fast and not be
"in training," when our lively hood is at such risk. I'm tired of the whole thing and wish it was over...............................lol

[Peter Hughes]

The Clinton family should be consigned to history. They have damaged the United States of America, even more so than George Bush and Mrs Clinton continues to drag her country down by attempting to lie and cheat her way into returning to The White House. Hopefully the American voters have more sense than to nominate her.

[Crusader Rabbit]

Jenni, stay over there. Anyone who falls for B. Hussein Obama's vacuous drivel is no asset to America. Nor are fans of The Hildebeast.

Stay there, Jenni; suck on their welfare system, not ours.

[americanabroad]

If I had to worry about sniper shots, I would have remembered it well. So would anyone. Misspoke??????? Honesty and integrity do not reign in the Clinton camp. That woman needs to be stopped. I am surprised that the bigwig democrats have not done something about this.

[godfrey]

A completely untrustworthy woman who will employ every cheap trick in her desperate desire to win. Presidential material ? Heaven help us !

[Percy C. Keith]

It just keeps getting better. The Fric n' Frac Show of Hillary and Barrack is providing what may turn out to be the most entertaining spectacle of political theatre since the Adams - Jefferson campaign.

Hillary has been undone by her own cleverness and smarmy self superiority and Obama has been or will soon be done in by his own apologetic self loathing.

He's been successful to date with being the racial mule of this campaign but his own racist views through the chatter of his "I Have A Dream We Can All Get Along In The Future When We Acknowledge Rev Wright's Right To Be Justifiably Angry With Racism In America Because Of People Like My Grandmother" speech-cum-expiation.

Yeah, that'll play.

What hasn’t been said about Hilary that isn’t true? We’ve seen exactly two clearly sincere moments of her inner self come to light in the past two plus years. The first occasion was her open candor about resenting the idea of coming into to office before a successful end to the Iraq War. The second was when she cried for votes.

God help us all if either of these silly people are elected President.

[Rodders]

I observe these pre election sparring matches with fascination.Who will the powers that be allow to be the next president?Another Clinton,who they know can be cajouled and controlled, or the alternative,a man who seems honest has integrity has vision and genuinely wants to make a difference.I'm sure that in the land of opportunity being black will not matter.Being controllable..hmmmm.

[Len Allen]

So, what happens when the White House phone rings at 3AM during a tense international situation such as the Cuban missle crisis, and our President "miss-speaks?"

If the other global democracy leaders expect our leader might miss-speak during a phone call, then perhaps the greater question than "Who will answer?" is "Who will call?"

[Dr. Jesse Kally-Williams]

It is very difficult not to understand what Maureen Dowd of the New York Times calls "the win-at-all-costs strategy of Hillary and Bill". This political theatre of nihilism which uses every means could permanently damage the Democratic Party. The Clintons have gone as far as to canvass for McCain. I doubt whether any Democratic politician has ever engaged in such tactics. We remember how the Clintons in 2000 abandoned Al Gore in his greatest hour of political need. It is surprising that Hilary's Democratic supporters do not see the danger of such self-destructive drive. The ideology of "I or nobody else" underpins the bloody history of all dictatorship. And Bill Richardson, a former cabinet member of Clinton’s regime, sees the point when he spoke on "Fox News Sunday: "I'm not going to get in the gutter like that ... And you know, that's typical of many of the people around Sen. Clinton [Hilary and Bill too]. They think they have a sense of entitlement to the presidency”. I’ve have had great respect for Hilary. Now more. Her naked ambition is destructive. Many of us have dreamed for years that feminisation of politics will humanise it. The Clintons are telling us something else.

[Hank Price]

Wish I could agree with Jenni's eloquence -- but what she perceives is a direct contradiction to reality. Obama has shown himself to be A CLOSET RACIST! No more, no less. In addition, of course to being a pathological liar -- as in that "biography" of his.

No, I predict that a good many million Americans are awakening to what Obama really is like. Presenting himself as a total phony and a liar. Not one bit different from Hillary Clinton.

Predictably, MILLIONS of Americans will vote for ANYONE other than Obama -- no matter how fervently they worship the Democratic party. Oh, they'll speak the politically correct phrases. But in the end will VOTE AGAINST this liar and phony. This closet racist!

Because many Americans are also keenly aware of the double-standard. That any White guilty of even a minor slip, insult or joke deemed offensive by Blacks will be hounded out of office, or forced to resign his job or be fired. Those Americans will see the Obama-Wright debacle as an opportunity for pay-back time! An opportunity to give Blacks a hefty dose of their own medicine, so to speak!

[vaseem]

Ah...the hapless Gerard Baker retracts once again..from his initial support of Bush and the Iraq War and his gushing praise of Hilary to finally conceding the bleeding obvious when there is nowhere left to turn.

Of course, GB was unimpressed by Obama's speech - in his right-wing view of the world, the vision and inspiration that one of the most exceptional politicians of our time has no place.

I think it's time the Times found someone who could actually present a half-rationale view of life across the pond.

Obviously though, i read his articles - light relief these days.

[Monika Fassbind]

Mrs. Clinton needs psychological assistance. She is a pathological liar and should not try to get a job that is kind of demanding, and where a nation needs to be able to trust you.

[Mariner]

It really does not cease to amaze me. Having lived in the Staes for the last 4 elections, and moved back home to London, I find it increasingly difficult to rationalize so much political opinion held by so many Americans. That people are obviously so brainwashed by the likes of Fox News and the myriad far-right social commentators to somehow not see the current President and administration for the abject failure that they are is breathtaking. The economy, the housing crisis, world-wide hostility to America's foreign policy, the widening budget deficit, education, a lack of healthcare coverage, etc, etc, and most importantly.... the President!! Come on, "I'd be scared of Hillary being too tired to answer a crisis call at 3am..." George doesn't have the sense or good judgement to boil an egg in the middle of the afternoon. Anyone that cannot see that is deeply afflicted.

How you can be nearing the back-end of the most calamitous 8 year Presidency in history, the damage from which will last another generation, and be fooled that what you are discussing in this thread is really what needs to be on your minds now and leading into the election, please wake up. The talk of "liberal Obama", or "socialist-leaning Hillary". You just don'tt know what you are talking about. Not a christian conservative?? Then you must be tarred with the liberal/ pro-North Korea/communist-leaning/socialist brush... Crazy. Read a book, look at an atlas, do some travelling (abroad) and then make your judgements and broad-sweeping accusations.

The world is watching, the election is approaching. May a lot of you wake up to the legacy you are forming for your children.